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I might join but I can't guarantee it. Assessments are on the way.

I'll post my thoughts here in response to yours since I play MKT.

Daisy Circuit shortcut not having a glider ramp is fine imo. The shortcut already offers an extra item box, so it's already more overpowered than it needed to be. Whilst it would be cool, it probably wasn't necessary, and I can't complain. (I was going for WR on this track at one point, and not having a glider kinda worked out better tbh)

Peach Circuit not having a glider ramp makes sense because the track is tiny, and there isn't much room to put one. There is one in the R and T variant (I haven't played R/T yet) but that was because it actually had a good opportunity to.

As for the music, I suppose this is fine. It makes sense from Nintendo's perspective. Tour never had these massive remixes anyway.

Pointing out Daisy Cruiser R/T was also something I didn't think of, but that would've been a good addition.

As for Daisy Hills, that track is pretty boring so I'm glad it didn't show up, but I think it probably was appropriate.

Coconut Mall was strange, maybe the princesses go shopping idk. Don't ask how DP3 got in tho.

On a sidenote, I'm going for Peach Circuit R WR which is currently at 154ac, I can definitely do it but the game refuses to give me Coinbox Frenzies lmao.

I actually don't know much about the coding part at all lol. I do know what's practical and necessary tho, which is probably unrelated to the question.

They likely won't be added because the difference between PC and MC, and BL and BP, is small. Just because it's a slightly different shade doesn't mean it's necessarily a new theme. This is different to the RP and LP themes which have a major change to distinguish the pieces, and allow the tracks to play much differently.

I've also spoken to Wargor and not even he is sure they'll be added, but none of us seem confident.

At that point just play MKDD or MKT if you want custom items...

Like I said, we can't just add everything into the game like it's nothing.

(I should probably lock the topic)

You want gliders and fireballs, and I want people to recognise that Wargor has a life.

You should probably stop being this demanding, it won't happen and asking won't do anything. Priority and highly requested updates come first.

Wargor is only one guy, and continually asking for (unneeded) updates is a bit unfair.

We don't need gliders, coins, new tracks etc anytime soon, and it's also easier said than done to implement new updates.

About a 7 minute read, I spent over an hour writing this so please read it...


Before you read this, please keep in mind that everything here is 100% serious, and my intention is to attempt to end these dramas. If you are unaware of this situation it most likely doesn't concern you, but there are some points I will say that may be useful to consider.

I never invested myself into the specifics, but it's clear that there's a lot of bickering going on and it's affecting the people involved. I've spoken to each of the members in private to hear what their thoughts are, and then will come to a common conclusion that hopefully everyone will agree on.

Context:

We all know who @Max-Bros is, one of the the few mods on this site, and if you've used the forum you've definitely seen him around. And if you know the forum, you'll know it isn't the greatest place to be on since there is so much drama and kids spamming nonsense...

That means Max has to spend a lot of time moderating the forum, which takes a lot of time and effort, and sometimes some sanity. To his credit, Max is admittedly the mod who has contributed the most to this (truly appreciated btw) so it's clear he's under a lot right now. It doesn't help when there's so much drama and spam either.

You've probably also seen @Lely on the forum too, given he's quite active. He's a friend of Max and tries to help out wherever he can. Other than this he's not necessarily part of the drama though.

There's also Pianta (currently @FDP_ at the time of writing this) who does get picked on quite a bit, and maybe seen posting a few snarky comments every now and then. However, it doesn't mean he's the antagonist in this situation, because there isn't any and you'll see why. He does take a bit more blame than he deserves in my opinion, and also wants the situation to end for the sake of everyone. Pianta also considers the other members to be nice people too, and even claimed that Lely deserves to be a mod here (when he's older) with sincerity.

So what's causing the problem?

Language Barriers:

When I say this, I don't mean that people can't speak English well. It's more about the informal/slang words and phrases that's being used in the arguments and the difficulties of detecting how a person feels simply through text alone. I even struggle to detect this myself sometimes, and adding on the fact that English isn't a first language for some people makes it much worse.

I first experienced this language barrier firsthand (unrelated to this particular situation) when I used the phrase "throw your life away" on chucks. This actually is a phrase that means "wasting time", but Lely interpreted it in its literal meaning and thought I was telling him to actually die. I don't blame Lely for this at all because it's not the most obvious phrase, but it's clear in this example that things can be taken out of context and misunderstood in a way worse meaning.

Back to the current situation, there are two examples of this language barrier that I'd like to mention that both portray Pianta as the 'bad guy' (which I've previously stated isn't the case).

- Pianta has admitted to me that he has used the term "dickeater" in the past, and that Max took it out of context, again which I don't blame. When you call someone this you don't literally mean that they eat dicks, but rather call someone an idiot (edit: it's actually milder than this), which still isn't the nicest word to use but isn't anywhere near as bad as its literal meaning. Of course, there is no way Max could've known this because it's an obscure term, and then the argument just keeps going because both sides don't like what is being said.

- There was also a situation where Pianta had some bad stuff happening in real life, and Lely replied with a "*sigh*". Even without the language barrier it's difficult to interpret whether or not the sigh was being sarcastic or pitiful (I'm leaning towards the pitiful side though), so naturally the situation got worse. Pianta responded with an abrupt "fuck you", which kind of triggered Lely. What was different in this case is that the reaction didn't derive from a hatred towards Lely unlike how it was interpreted, it actually derived from another misunderstanding and a bit of anger from the already awful experience. Even though Pianta had no malicious intent, he said he regrets the lash and has apologised.

I think it's clear that these misunderstandings have significantly contributed to the arguments, and the fact that this has happened for a while now doesn't make it any better because there's a subconscious dislike towards the other side. The reason the dramas didn't end sooner is because nobody addressed this earlier, and therefore there was no common understanding between both sides to resolve the issue.

I also don't think Max's stress has helped at all in this situation either, which was caused by the continuous monitoring of the forum.

My advice:

- Firstly, to the members of MKPC (particularly the forum users). Please refrain from joining any dramas whatsoever. If there is something happening there is always the report function on the forum, and the mod's are more than happy to take a look at it that way. It's actually really convenient for the mods when the report function is used properly.

- To Max. I truly understand that the whole modding thing isn't helping with your mentality, so please take a break, and a long one if necessary. I think you probably take the role a bit more seriously than you really need to, which I don't blame you for in the slightest, but I'm a bit worried because it's affecting you. It's important to recognise that even though you want the forum to be the best place possible, it realistically will never happen as long as there are kids who keep joining and breaking the rules, so I would probably advise ignoring a few things. You're already a great moderator for the site, you've just had an unfair workload.

- To Pianta. I've already said this in DMs but maybe be mindful with the use of particular language for the reasons above, but I don't really need to elaborate since already you know what I mean.

- To Lely. You've already displayed you can be mature on the site, but there's a lot of things you still have to learn due to age (this isn't a bad thing btw). I can tell you when I was 12, I was a complete idiot, so you're already one step ahead of me. There's a lot of things that you begin to realise as you grow older, so you just need a bit more experience. Maybe in a year or two you'll be mod.

Conclusion:

So who is the bad guy?

Well, nobody is. The whole thing was a misunderstanding. I know both sides are more than willing to make peace with each other, and I hope this is much easier now that we recognise what part of the problem is. Rather than blaming each other for escalating the drama, we now know why the issue was never resolved fully before. (we can blame the English instead for inventing a stupid language)

I hope we can drop everything behind us for the sake of everyone involved, and maybe even the community. Hopefully the mentality for everyone involved will improve. Hopefully this post will end the conflict that has already taken too much of a toll.

And lastly, I didn't write this because I'm an admin of the site and needed to do this. I wrote this as a friend who wants to look out for you guys.

Just think about this logistically from Nintendo's perspective for a second.

Mk8dx is largely played by families and not just competitive players. Tracks like N64 Wario Stadium and GCN Wario Colosseum are too complex for a game intended for 6 yo kids to play (for the most part). Waluigi Stadium is a more suitable addition for the BCP since it's a good difficulty/length, whereas the other tracks you seem so desperate to want (which aren't coming btw) are too complicated for the average player to comprehend.

Ok but it just got announced in Tour today

DS Mario Circuit finally gets the credit it deserves, it's the best Mario Circuit across the entire series and now it's even better. I also wouldn't have wanted Luigi's Mansion because that's a bit on the boring side, and I was actually expecting Airship Fortress but ig I was wrong (I'm not disappointe tho).

The fact that there are 8 circuits doesn't mean anything either, especially if there will eventually be 96 in the entire game (therefore  8.33% which is essentially nothing).

I think this course will be great, and amazing in 200cc. The whole wave is epic.

tbf the Waluigi Stadium visuals did catch me off guard since it looks completely different. I think it's fine, but I care about the gameplay more than the visuals.

I'm glad this is in meme of the day because YOU are the meme of the day. Thank you for posting this in the correct channel and actually (half) following the rules for once

Also proxies can't do much anymore

not on this topic, but ive made a bunch

https://mkpc.malahieude.net/battle.php?i=3740

This is the ultimate meme for today, another "beautiful" battle course... of a meme

As someone who plays tour, this caught me by surprise as well. (so the topic isn't really that useless imo)

I've played both variants only once (so my judgement may change) but the N variant is fine (a bit tricky to keep combos actually) and the R variant is mediocre.

On an unrelated note about this track, this is a complete guess with no proof but I'm predicting the course will place before Wii RR in the BCP, because I don't see why Nintendo would put this much effort into a course for a game that will eventually discontinue. (don't expect this to actually happen)

The same problem also happens to me too, hopefully it gets fixed eventually.

There's supposed to be a way to still enable it in custom item distributions, I haven't figured it out yet.

On Discord, Wargor said "To enable it, just select a custom item distribution and type "darkshell" from the custom screen. This will give you access to the dark shell column where you can set the distribution you want"

But the thing doesn't show up for me, I'm probably doing something wrong.

Riverside and Lakeside Park are quite different. The original Lakeside Park theme was based around water. When I designed the Riverside Park pieces I intentionally made it land based so that it's distinctly different from LP and not a useless update. The problem with Peach Circuit (and Broken Pier) is that not much can be done to make it look and play differently to MC and BL.