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Messages 273 - Toadsworth Toadsworth
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For those of you who've known me for a while, I've only ever posted 2 topics on this forum. So you know if I make one, I'm getting serious about a certain subject. Here, it's more apparent than ever so why don't I just get to the matter at hand? THE CPUS ARE FAR FROM RIGGED, PEOPLE!

First off, what exactly am I talking about? Well simply put, I've been hearing complaints directed at Wargor and LT8 that the enemy racers are too good, and their item RNG is beyond dumb. I'm going to go through all the arguments people put forth and debunk them one by one.

1. The CPUs always catch up to you even if you're miles away. Now, as much as I agree with this, rubber band AI (where the AI gets better when losing to close the gap between it and you) has always been a part of Mario Kart and was probably added as a way of making it more like the older MK games, which this one is based off.

2. If you're in first, their item RNG becomes a lot better, meaning they'll most likely blue shell you multiple times. This happens in regular matches anyway, so if you're complaining about this you're probably not skilled enough to get 1st in online races and have never experienced this.

These 2 by themselves are the major arguments people put forward, but there are a couple of things you need to consider. The first being how the CPUs on Grand Prix are automatically on "Difficult" mode to begin with. You're facing these CPUs at their absolute best. Second, this was all intentional. They were designed to be extremely difficult, as a way of forcing improvement out of a player that online practice just can't provide at lower levels.
For all the old-school gamers here, think Wizpig from Diddy Kong Racing. A boss that was deliberately faster than you, forcing you to either drive perfectly, learn a hidden technique to go faster, or use a character you unlock for mastering every bit of the game.
While you don't have that last option (The best character is already in your reach before you even do GP), you have the first 2. Either use Daisy and learn to snake, master your item play (like hitting your items to get out of blue shell hitstun faster), or grind out time trials to improve your skill at each individual track. No matter what way of improving you choose, you have to learn something new, either about the game or each track.
If you want proof of what I'm saying, how many pro players do you see complaining, as opposed to newbies? Literally none. They all (myself included) defend it because they understand the game. If you see one of the top 5 worldwide complaining, then it's a problem. But people complaining with no knowledge of the game other than "kart go brrr" is just stupid. They have no base for their irritation other than their lack of experience with the game.

End of story, the CPUs were made to be difficult as a wake-up call for new players to get good. It's your fault if you choose to just try beating them over and over in vain or actually improve. I really, really hope this is the end of the madness, and that people finally understand.
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InfiNate wrote:
For those of you who've known me for a while, I've only ever posted 2 topics on this forum. So you know if I make one, I'm getting serious about a certain subject. Here, it's more apparent than ever so why don't I just get to the matter at hand? THE CPUS ARE FAR FROM RIGGED, PEOPLE!

First off, what exactly am I talking about? Well simply put, I've been hearing complaints directed at Wargor and LT8 that the enemy racers are too good, and their item RNG is beyond dumb. I'm going to go through all the arguments people put forth and debunk them one by one.

1. The CPUs always catch up to you even if you're miles away. Now, as much as I agree with this, rubber band AI (where the AI gets better when losing to close the gap between it and you) has always been a part of Mario Kart and was probably added as a way of making it more like the older MK games, which this one is based off.

2. If you're in first, their item RNG becomes a lot better, meaning they'll most likely blue shell you multiple times. This happens in regular matches anyway, so if you're complaining about this you're probably not skilled enough to get 1st in online races and have never experienced this.

These 2 by themselves are the major arguments people put forward, but there are a couple of things you need to consider. The first being how the CPUs on Grand Prix are automatically on "Difficult" mode to begin with. You're facing these CPUs at their absolute best. Second, this was all intentional. They were designed to be extremely difficult, as a way of forcing improvement out of a player that online practice just can't provide at lower levels.
For all the old-school gamers here, think Wizpig from Diddy Kong Racing. A boss that was deliberately faster than you, forcing you to either drive perfectly, learn a hidden technique to go faster, or use a character you unlock for mastering every bit of the game.
While you don't have that last option (The best character is already in your reach before you even do GP), you have the first 2. Either use Daisy and learn to snake, master your item play (like hitting your items to get out of blue shell hitstun faster), or grind out time trials to improve your skill at each individual track. No matter what way of improving you choose, you have to learn something new, either about the game or each track.
If you want proof of what I'm saying, how many pro players do you see complaining, as opposed to newbies? Literally none. They all (myself included) defend it because they understand the game. If you see one of the top 5 worldwide complaining, then it's a problem. But people complaining with no knowledge of the game other than "kart go brrr" is just stupid. They have no base for their irritation other than their lack of experience with the game.

End of story, the CPUs were made to be difficult as a wake-up call for new players to get good. It's your fault if you choose to just try beating them over and over in vain or actually improve. I really, really hope this is the end of the madness, and that people finally understand.


All these things are getting annoying to me too,so  if admins dont do something about these problems i will leave from MKPC(i am kidding)
Messages 890 - Mario Mario
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InfiNate wrote:
For those of you who've known me for a while, I've only ever posted 2 topics on this forum. So you know if I make one, I'm getting serious about a certain subject. Here, it's more apparent than ever so why don't I just get to the matter at hand? THE CPUS ARE FAR FROM RIGGED, PEOPLE!

First off, what exactly am I talking about? Well simply put, I've been hearing complaints directed at Wargor and LT8 that the enemy racers are too good, and their item RNG is beyond dumb. I'm going to go through all the arguments people put forth and debunk them one by one.

1. The CPUs always catch up to you even if you're miles away. Now, as much as I agree with this, rubber band AI (where the AI gets better when losing to close the gap between it and you) has always been a part of Mario Kart and was probably added as a way of making it more like the older MK games, which this one is based off.

2. If you're in first, their item RNG becomes a lot better, meaning they'll most likely blue shell you multiple times. This happens in regular matches anyway, so if you're complaining about this you're probably not skilled enough to get 1st in online races and have never experienced this.

These 2 by themselves are the major arguments people put forward, but there are a couple of things you need to consider. The first being how the CPUs on Grand Prix are automatically on "Difficult" mode to begin with. You're facing these CPUs at their absolute best. Second, this was all intentional. They were designed to be extremely difficult, as a way of forcing improvement out of a player that online practice just can't provide at lower levels.
For all the old-school gamers here, think Wizpig from Diddy Kong Racing. A boss that was deliberately faster than you, forcing you to either drive perfectly, learn a hidden technique to go faster, or use a character you unlock for mastering every bit of the game.
While you don't have that last option (The best character is already in your reach before you even do GP), you have the first 2. Either use Daisy and learn to snake, master your item play (like hitting your items to get out of blue shell hitstun faster), or grind out time trials to improve your skill at each individual track. No matter what way of improving you choose, you have to learn something new, either about the game or each track.
If you want proof of what I'm saying, how many pro players do you see complaining, as opposed to newbies? Literally none. They all (myself included) defend it because they understand the game. If you see one of the top 5 worldwide complaining, then it's a problem. But people complaining with no knowledge of the game other than "kart go brrr" is just stupid. They have no base for their irritation other than their lack of experience with the game.

End of story, the CPUs were made to be difficult as a wake-up call for new players to get good. It's your fault if you choose to just try beating them over and over in vain or actually improve. I really, really hope this is the end of the madness, and that people finally understand.

It is true. (How long did you spend writing it?)
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30 minutes...
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Messages 380 - Luigi Luigi
InfiNate wrote:
For those of you who've known me for a while, I've only ever posted 2 topics on this forum. So you know if I make one, I'm getting serious about a certain subject. Here, it's more apparent than ever so why don't I just get to the matter at hand? THE CPUS ARE FAR FROM RIGGED, PEOPLE!

First off, what exactly am I talking about? Well simply put, I've been hearing complaints directed at Wargor and LT8 that the enemy racers are too good, and their item RNG is beyond dumb. I'm going to go through all the arguments people put forth and debunk them one by one.

1. The CPUs always catch up to you even if you're miles away. Now, as much as I agree with this, rubber band AI (where the AI gets better when losing to close the gap between it and you) has always been a part of Mario Kart and was probably added as a way of making it more like the older MK games, which this one is based off.

2. If you're in first, their item RNG becomes a lot better, meaning they'll most likely blue shell you multiple times. This happens in regular matches anyway, so if you're complaining about this you're probably not skilled enough to get 1st in online races and have never experienced this.

These 2 by themselves are the major arguments people put forward, but there are a couple of things you need to consider. The first being how the CPUs on Grand Prix are automatically on "Difficult" mode to begin with. You're facing these CPUs at their absolute best. Second, this was all intentional. They were designed to be extremely difficult, as a way of forcing improvement out of a player that online practice just can't provide at lower levels.
For all the old-school gamers here, think Wizpig from Diddy Kong Racing. A boss that was deliberately faster than you, forcing you to either drive perfectly, learn a hidden technique to go faster, or use a character you unlock for mastering every bit of the game.
While you don't have that last option (The best character is already in your reach before you even do GP), you have the first 2. Either use Daisy and learn to snake, master your item play (like hitting your items to get out of blue shell hitstun faster), or grind out time trials to improve your skill at each individual track. No matter what way of improving you choose, you have to learn something new, either about the game or each track.
If you want proof of what I'm saying, how many pro players do you see complaining, as opposed to newbies? Literally none. They all (myself included) defend it because they understand the game. If you see one of the top 5 worldwide complaining, then it's a problem. But people complaining with no knowledge of the game other than "kart go brrr" is just stupid. They have no base for their irritation other than their lack of experience with the game.

End of story, the CPUs were made to be difficult as a wake-up call for new players to get good. It's your fault if you choose to just try beating them over and over in vain or actually improve. I really, really hope this is the end of the madness, and that people finally understand.


Yes, just the CPUs are here for more difficult , in MKPC everything is easy (except tournaments) .

If you want beat other CPUs , you must know by heart all tracks in MKPC . This is why CPUs are good for the training


(plz correct me if you see an error)
Messages 271 - Toadsworth Toadsworth
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InfiNate wrote:
For those of you who've known me for a while, I've only ever posted 2 topics on this forum. So you know if I make one, I'm getting serious about a certain subject. Here, it's more apparent than ever so why don't I just get to the matter at hand? THE CPUS ARE FAR FROM RIGGED, PEOPLE!

First off, what exactly am I talking about? Well simply put, I've been hearing complaints directed at Wargor and LT8 that the enemy racers are too good, and their item RNG is beyond dumb. I'm going to go through all the arguments people put forth and debunk them one by one.

1. The CPUs always catch up to you even if you're miles away. Now, as much as I agree with this, rubber band AI (where the AI gets better when losing to close the gap between it and you) has always been a part of Mario Kart and was probably added as a way of making it more like the older MK games, which this one is based off.

2. If you're in first, their item RNG becomes a lot better, meaning they'll most likely blue shell you multiple times. This happens in regular matches anyway, so if you're complaining about this you're probably not skilled enough to get 1st in online races and have never experienced this.

These 2 by themselves are the major arguments people put forward, but there are a couple of things you need to consider. The first being how the CPUs on Grand Prix are automatically on "Difficult" mode to begin with. You're facing these CPUs at their absolute best. Second, this was all intentional. They were designed to be extremely difficult, as a way of forcing improvement out of a player that online practice just can't provide at lower levels.
For all the old-school gamers here, think Wizpig from Diddy Kong Racing. A boss that was deliberately faster than you, forcing you to either drive perfectly, learn a hidden technique to go faster, or use a character you unlock for mastering every bit of the game.
While you don't have that last option (The best character is already in your reach before you even do GP), you have the first 2. Either use Daisy and learn to snake, master your item play (like hitting your items to get out of blue shell hitstun faster), or grind out time trials to improve your skill at each individual track. No matter what way of improving you choose, you have to learn something new, either about the game or each track.
If you want proof of what I'm saying, how many pro players do you see complaining, as opposed to newbies? Literally none. They all (myself included) defend it because they understand the game. If you see one of the top 5 worldwide complaining, then it's a problem. But people complaining with no knowledge of the game other than "kart go brrr" is just stupid. They have no base for their irritation other than their lack of experience with the game.

End of story, the CPUs were made to be difficult as a wake-up call for new players to get good. It's your fault if you choose to just try beating them over and over in vain or actually improve. I really, really hope this is the end of the madness, and that people finally understand.


Firsty, it'll never end bc ppl naturally complain about stuff.

Secondly, you said it was far from rigged but I think that it is just highly probable to get unlucky. The real problem imo is that the items are too frantic. You'll know that there is a problem when you are give Bob-ombs in 1st with 8 racers. Or when you're 1st on the final stretch with a big lead and still come last bc
item combo. (if you remember those races we had in Cheep Cheep Beach and Desert Hills when I used Yoshi, you'll get what I'm saying)

Third, I wouldn't call only the top 5 "evidence". There are other good people in the game. (ur not in top 5 vs mode rankings but still one of the best, if not, the best)

Finally, lack of experience doesn't mean you're bad at the game.

And ye, ppl won't stop complaining.
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ok and why you spack french this?
Messages 273 - Toadsworth Toadsworth
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I was just using them as an example. If the best players are defending something, do they have a point? Also no I'm not.

By the way, yes I understand that luck is a factor, but if you're good enough to beat them consistently, you're good enough to an extent that you can beat them regardless of luck.
Messages 271 - Toadsworth Toadsworth
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InfiNate wrote:
I was just using them as an example. If the best players are defending something, do they have a point? Also no I'm not.

By the way, yes I understand that luck is a factor, but if you're good enough to beat them consistently, you're good enough to an extent that you can beat them regardless of luck.


If the best players are defending something, then they are sharing their perspective. The only people I've seen consistantly do well are the snakers. And that is pretty much who the "best people" are.
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InfiNate wrote:
I was just using them as an example. If the best players are defending something, do they have a point? Also no I'm not.

By the way, yes I understand that luck is a factor, but if you're good enough to beat them consistently, you're good enough to an extent that you can beat them regardless of luck.


If the best players are defending something, then they are sharing their perspective. The only people I've seen consistantly do well are the snakers. And that is pretty much who the "best people" are.


I was doing just fine with Bowser thank you. But real talk, that's what I mean. If you wanna get good you have to learn certain things. Master those, the CPUs aren't a problem
Messages 271 - Toadsworth Toadsworth
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InfiNate wrote:
InfiNate wrote:
I was just using them as an example. If the best players are defending something, do they have a point? Also no I'm not.

By the way, yes I understand that luck is a factor, but if you're good enough to beat them consistently, you're good enough to an extent that you can beat them regardless of luck.


If the best players are defending something, then they are sharing their perspective. The only people I've seen consistantly do well are the snakers. And that is pretty much who the "best people" are.


I was doing just fine with Bowser thank you. But real talk, that's what I mean. If you wanna get good you have to learn certain things. Master those, the CPUs aren't a problem


Firstly, Bowser is nearly as fast as snaking.

Secondly, you can't really blame people for hating the CPU's because they are most likely still new. (like me, I've been here only 2 months)
Messages 273 - Toadsworth Toadsworth
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InfiNate wrote:
InfiNate wrote:
I was just using them as an example. If the best players are defending something, do they have a point? Also no I'm not.

By the way, yes I understand that luck is a factor, but if you're good enough to beat them consistently, you're good enough to an extent that you can beat them regardless of luck.


If the best players are defending something, then they are sharing their perspective. The only people I've seen consistantly do well are the snakers. And that is pretty much who the "best people" are.


I was doing just fine with Bowser thank you. But real talk, that's what I mean. If you wanna get good you have to learn certain things. Master those, the CPUs aren't a problem


Firstly, Bowser is nearly as fast as snaking.

Secondly, you can't really blame people for hating the CPU's because they are most likely still new. (like me, I've been here only 2 months)

No, I'm blaming them for openly complaining about them without taking into account that they're new players.
Messages 271 - Toadsworth Toadsworth
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InfiNate wrote:
InfiNate wrote:
InfiNate wrote:
I was just using them as an example. If the best players are defending something, do they have a point? Also no I'm not.

By the way, yes I understand that luck is a factor, but if you're good enough to beat them consistently, you're good enough to an extent that you can beat them regardless of luck.


If the best players are defending something, then they are sharing their perspective. The only people I've seen consistantly do well are the snakers. And that is pretty much who the "best people" are.


I was doing just fine with Bowser thank you. But real talk, that's what I mean. If you wanna get good you have to learn certain things. Master those, the CPUs aren't a problem


Firstly, Bowser is nearly as fast as snaking.

Secondly, you can't really blame people for hating the CPU's because they are most likely still new. (like me, I've been here only 2 months)

No, I'm blaming them for openly complaining about them without taking into account that they're new players.


Ok, fair point.

I'm gonna be honest with you, I kinda dislike that CPUs can dominate over new players. or even players who are not terrible at the game. Even I struggle sometimes but I don't race badly.
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Messages 380 - Luigi Luigi
InfiNate wrote:
InfiNate wrote:
InfiNate wrote:
I was just using them as an example. If the best players are defending something, do they have a point? Also no I'm not.

By the way, yes I understand that luck is a factor, but if you're good enough to beat them consistently, you're good enough to an extent that you can beat them regardless of luck.


If the best players are defending something, then they are sharing their perspective. The only people I've seen consistantly do well are the snakers. And that is pretty much who the "best people" are.


I was doing just fine with Bowser thank you. But real talk, that's what I mean. If you wanna get good you have to learn certain things. Master those, the CPUs aren't a problem


Firstly, Bowser is nearly as fast as snaking.

Secondly, you can't really blame people for hating the CPU's because they are most likely still new. (like me, I've been here only 2 months)

No, I'm blaming them for openly complaining about them without taking into account that they're new players.

Why not do a topic: Advice for beginners
Messages 271 - Toadsworth Toadsworth
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Gliscor01 wrote:
InfiNate wrote:
InfiNate wrote:
InfiNate wrote:
I was just using them as an example. If the best players are defending something, do they have a point? Also no I'm not.

By the way, yes I understand that luck is a factor, but if you're good enough to beat them consistently, you're good enough to an extent that you can beat them regardless of luck.


If the best players are defending something, then they are sharing their perspective. The only people I've seen consistantly do well are the snakers. And that is pretty much who the "best people" are.


I was doing just fine with Bowser thank you. But real talk, that's what I mean. If you wanna get good you have to learn certain things. Master those, the CPUs aren't a problem


Firstly, Bowser is nearly as fast as snaking.

Secondly, you can't really blame people for hating the CPU's because they are most likely still new. (like me, I've been here only 2 months)

No, I'm blaming them for openly complaining about them without taking into account that they're new players.

Why not do a topic: Advice for beginners


Great Idea!!! But maybe the beginners have no idea about the forum (me when I started)
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Gliscor01 wrote:
InfiNate wrote:
InfiNate wrote:
InfiNate wrote:
I was just using them as an example. If the best players are defending something, do they have a point? Also no I'm not.

By the way, yes I understand that luck is a factor, but if you're good enough to beat them consistently, you're good enough to an extent that you can beat them regardless of luck.


If the best players are defending something, then they are sharing their perspective. The only people I've seen consistantly do well are the snakers. And that is pretty much who the "best people" are.


I was doing just fine with Bowser thank you. But real talk, that's what I mean. If you wanna get good you have to learn certain things. Master those, the CPUs aren't a problem


Firstly, Bowser is nearly as fast as snaking.

Secondly, you can't really blame people for hating the CPU's because they are most likely still new. (like me, I've been here only 2 months)

No, I'm blaming them for openly complaining about them without taking into account that they're new players.

Why not do a topic: Advice for beginners

I'll think about it, but that's only if other people want it of course.
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Hey InfiNate, just asking...

considering you've heard of a lot of people complain, what % of the community do you think believes that they are rigged or terrible?

I'm just curious.
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Out of all the people who use the forums regularly, I'd say about 20% have been part of and/or individually said something
Messages 271 - Toadsworth Toadsworth
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InfiNate wrote:
Out of all the people who use the forums regularly, I'd say about 20% have been part of and/or individually said something


Ok
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CPU's are iffy in this game, they are unpredictable at times, but for me it's not a problem. Here are some things CPU's can't do and humans can:
CPU's can't drift: meaning that they can't get any drift boosts.
CPU's can't use commands: so if your playing a versus race, you won't see a CPU go to a stop and use a bullet in first, unless they have the knowledge to do that (which I will explain now)
CPU's can't choose when they use items: they use it after a little bit after the roulette wheel stops. Also part of a reason why they can make like everyone spin out, the other part is because they follow a route.
CPU's CAN use boosts: unlike SMK, CPU's can use boost pads, which can be broken at some times when there is a boost pad near a 180 turn and somehow make it.
Yeah that's about it but hope ya learned something (you probably didn't)

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