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Messages 650 - Mario Mario
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Ryubix wrote:
If we talk in all seriousness Bayonetta have the most destruction potential. She destroyed the tier list upon her arrival back in the day.

Upon ARRIVAL? Ryubix. Listen to me. She's the only character in smash history to receive heavy nerfs and still maintain her spot as the best in the game. Smash 64 Pikachu, Melee Fox and Brawl MK all became mid-tiers are getting nerfed, but not Bayonetta.

Also to clear up the confusion, when someone says "best character" we're specifically referring to top level play. The tier lists always talk about how good characters are when you are playing them as good as you possibly can, and thus bases it off tournament results as well as matchups against every other character. This is why Meta Knight was considered overpowered in Brawl, since he had no losing matchups against anyone in the cast, and dominated every tournament.

Bayonetta isn't that bad at low level, she's hard to play properly due to her entire gameplan being long combos. But since the tier list centres around top level play, difficulty isn't a factor. It's just "What does this character have, how can it be used against everyone" and having 0-death combos galore + a broken counter and insane recovery (albeit die to a glitch) is more than enough to make her the most broken in smash 4
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Is kokchi in smash bros??
Messages 650 - Mario Mario
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Off-topic, but no
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InfiNate wrote:
Off-topic, but no

IT WAS JUST A QUESTION!!
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wish he was
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Weegee Loogi
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Weegee Loogi

If you don't mind me asking, why?
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InfiNate wrote:
Weegee Loogi

If you don't mind me asking, why?


idk, always win with him, so...
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Freaking Little Mac
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Freaking Little Mac

Wdym? Little Mac can't make it back onto the stage, he sucks
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InfiNate wrote:
Freaking Little Mac

Wdym? Little Mac can't make it back onto the stage, he sucks
i'm not gonna get mad at you for saying that but why did you say little mac sucks

he may be little be he's strong asf
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Freaking Little Mac

Wdym? Little Mac can't make it back onto the stage, he sucks
i'm not gonna get mad at you for saying that but why did you say little mac sucks

he may be little be he's strong asf
He's strong af on the ground. His aerial game is the worst out of any character. You don't get many opportunities to use his powerful attacks, since you're focusing stage control and not getting hit into the air over killing your opponent.
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InfiNate wrote:
InfiNate wrote:
Freaking Little Mac

Wdym? Little Mac can't make it back onto the stage, he sucks
i'm not gonna get mad at you for saying that but why did you say little mac sucks

he may be little be he's strong asf
He's strong af on the ground. His aerial game is the worst out of any character. You don't get many opportunities to use his powerful attacks, since you're focusing stage control and not getting hit into the air over killing your opponent.
i'm used to Little Mac tho but i'm still saying that he's the best bc his final smash move is off the chain bro


He is Big Mac (get it Yes, no, maybe, ok lemme stop) anyway where was i oh yes any about little mac's final smash i was something wasn't expected but pretty cool


speaking of finak smash i've done little mac's final smash on every opponet On wii u (i'm not used to the 3ds version)

but still whoever thinks little mac's final smash is just as good as the others quote me
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Note : I'll only talk about the competitive aspect .

2nd note : In competitive tournaments, final smashes , objects and some arenas  are prohibited.

Let's go !

In Smash 4,  it's Bayonetta , look that, it's an official video who explains that better than me.

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Gliscor01 wrote:
Note : I'll only talk about the competitive aspect .

2nd note : In competitive tournaments, final smashes , objects and some arenas  are prohibited.

Let's go !

In Smash 4,  it's Bayonetta , look that, it's an official video who explains that better than me.

why is it prohibited tho
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Freaking Little Mac




Little Mac has powerful blows, like  his Neutral-B or his smashes and he has an unbeatable frame data ,he's one of the best characters ON THE GROUND, but his aerials are unusable and he will NEVER be able to return to the field .

Knowing that in official Smash tournaments, the only 11 authorized stages , ALL have edges, Little Mac will NEVER be played due to his inability to return to the stage (fortunately in SSBU they improved it a little )

I want to admit that I was only talking about Smash Wii U and the competitive aspect. Hope you understood :)
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Does a dlc player count?


Yep ,  Robin has an exceptionnel gameplay , and he's in  the middle of the tierlist . I don't really see this character in the competitive and I don't play him too much so I couldn't say more. :/
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Does a dlc player count?

Well we said that Bayonetta's the strongest in the game, so yes.
Messages 650 - Mario Mario
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I think it is Robin

Far from it. Robin has a lot of flaws.
1. Robin is the slowest character in the game in terms of run speed, so his mobility is far below average.

2. His frame data sucks, all his moves come out extremely slow and he's only beaten in this category by Shulk. That says a lot.

3. His special attack tomes and Levin Sword are limited use and take time to recharge afterwards. Since most of his kill power comes from these moves, having to either save them or wait for them to be used again.

There was only really one good Robin player in top-level play, that being Nairo, but even then he didn't use Robin much.
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InfiNate wrote:
Does a dlc player count?

Well we said that Bayonetta's the strongest in the game, so yes.

okay i would also say min min and Hero have some moves

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